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« Thread started on: Sep 7th, 2009, 9:19pm »

I will admit to not being the sharpest tool in the shed but I really am of average intelligence. Having been trying to add content to the LBPE and in the past making a mess of it, I wonder if anyone could write some instructions that make some sense. For example when I look at Submit page, I see.

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This site is not accepting memberships. Anyone can view these pages and add content - membership is not accepted.

1 Click the edit button at the top of this page.


First I note that there is no "Edit" button at the top of the page but there is an "Edit This Page" button. So I clicked on that and low and behold I got a page with an Editor at the top. Maybe good, I don't know. Last time I think I tried to edit the page instead of adding content. Alyce Watson had to bail me out.

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2 Add your article to the list at the bottom of this page . If you are using the formatted text editor, simply click the link button (a globe with chain links in the foreground) and invoke a dialog to add the link. Type the name of your new page in the "wiki link" area and click the "okay" button.If you are using the plain text editor, do this by typing a name for your page inside of double square brackets. If your article is called "Using Arrays", your link would look like this: ``* [[Using Arrays]] `` Save the editing of this page.


There is no Globe with a chain in it but there is a Chain in the toolbar that has the tool tip "Insert Link". I suppose that is it.

So I click on that and another window opens in which there is no "OK" button but an "Add Link" button. I suppose that is it. I finally figure out how to add a link and finally figure out that I have to click the "Save" button on the first page. But the link doesn't end up at the bottom of the page but on line 4. When I finally found the link and clicked on it, I came to the next window where I had to sign in or create a new account. What! The site clearly states "This site not accepting memberships". Even when I tried to "Join" that process became so complicated that I wasn't sure what I was joining and if I was going to have to release my first born. I finally backed out of everything and will pass on submitting my content.

Ok, maybe I just don't understand such a simple process or maybe my addition to LBPE just isn't all that necessary but there might come a day when someone of average intelligence wants to add something really good and gets as frustrated as I am.

I guess I just can't see the forest or the trees.

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« Reply #1 on: Sep 8th, 2009, 03:07am »

Jim,

the LBPE wikispace does not allow membership, this is to protect the content.

The button captions and the image button images have been changed by the Wikispaces owners, so sorry, that the hint is not updated to reflect this.

You can edit the submit page, you do not need to be a member at wikispaces, but it helps us identifying the author, if we do have some questions about the submitted content.

It seems that Wikispaces has changed their policy to allow only members of Wikispaces to create new pages, sorry for that inconvenience.

As with all editors, you will have to place the cursor to the end of the content to insert at the end of the content.

The easiest way to create a new page is to add a link to it to an existing page, so this is described on the submit page.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 8th, 2009, 08:51am »

Stefan, I'm really not trying to be a pain but if you read my post carefully, I was finally able to create the link and even found it where it wasn't supposed to be, but when I clicked on that link it took me to a sign in or create a new account page. I never got to a page where I could submit content.

Now I have no problem with submitting my name and e mail address with my content as I understand the need for accountability and the need to contact me, but when I finally decided to try to create an account, I had no idea from the next page what I was creating an account for. It seemed I was going to get wiki space which I didn't want, I only wanted to submit my content. That's when I finally gave up.

Thanks for the reply but as I already stated, submitting my content just isn't worth the hassle.

Jim
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 8th, 2009, 09:14am »

Hi, Jim. Thanks for the feedback. It truly is valuable and reading your account definitely shows the submission page could use some help and, as Stefan pointed out, a little updating. I'll work on something starting tomorrow.
You have to be a wikispaces member to add content to a wikispaces site. You won't get your own wikispaces until and unless you request one. So, in that respect, it's not much different than joining this forum.
One of the reasons we started the wiki site was to allow members to post and edit their own submissions. This is not to say we wouldn't, and haven't, helped people get started. I found wiki formatting to be more than a little daunting when I first started out. Tom Nally and Alyce both helped me across the learning curve. So I can personally feel your frustration.
Give us / me a few days and perhaps we can improve upon the instructions.
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 8th, 2009, 09:14am »

on Sep 8th, 2009, 08:51am, MKnarr wrote:
Stefan, I'm really not trying to be a pain but if you read my post carefully, I was finally able to create the link and even found it where it wasn't supposed to be, but when I clicked on that link it took me to a sign in or create a new account page. I never got to a page where I could submit content.

Now I have no problem with submitting my name and e mail address with my content as I understand the need for accountability and the need to contact me, but when I finally decided to try to create an account, I had no idea from the next page what I was creating an account for. It seemed I was going to get wiki space which I didn't want, I only wanted to submit my content. That's when I finally gave up.

Thanks for the reply but as I already stated, submitting my content just isn't worth the hassle.

Jim


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It seems that Wikispaces has changed their policy to allow only members of Wikispaces to create new pages, sorry for that inconvenience.


Having an account at wikispaces is no different than having an account on a forum. It is easy to do and once you have a free account, you can sign in simply with your username and password.

When we were publishing a newsletter, the staff was overwhelmed. The amount of work and time required to edit submissions was growing each month and we really didn't have the time to do it properly. The wiki allows folks to submit directly and it requires much less work for the staff.

The wiki also allows us to correct mistakes and to add information as it becomes necessary. Dynamic content is more useful than static content in that regard.

We are truly sorry that you find it to be too much of a hassle. We hope you understand that we try our best to provide good information and easy access, and to accomodate the requests of the community as much as humanly possible.

We'd be delighted if you changed your mind and submitted the article, but we understand if you prefer to skip if.
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 9th, 2009, 4:46pm »

Hi Jim,
I was very confused at first too when I was trying to submit a file to one of the Wikispaces, Janet helped me to understand how the Wikis system works:
You need an account to participate in some Wikispaces. That account will work with all the wikis at Wikispaces. There is no need to get a Site, it's just an account which consist of an user-name and a password. So if you are logged in the basic.wikispaces.com, you will be logged in the other Wikispaces too (lbpe.wikispaces.com, runbasic.wikispaces.com, etc.)
Each edited, and saved, page creates a History log. There is a History for each page that lets the organizers to revert the changes.
If a page doesn't exist, you will be asked to create it. So if you create a link to a page that is not there yet, there will be a message that will tell you that. That is the easy way to create pages, and it's very efficient.
Finally I can tell that I prefer editing the pages manually, without using the visual editor. You can do this off-line in notepad. Just follow the markup rules.

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« Reply #6 on: Sep 9th, 2009, 5:24pm »

on Sep 9th, 2009, 4:46pm, cundo wrote:
Hi Jim,
I was very confused at first too when I was trying to submit a file to one of the Wikispaces, Janet helped me to understand how the Wikis system works:


I cannot imagine our community without Janet and she has come to the rescue again in response to Jim's complaint. She's created a visual walk-through to help us submit articles. Do have a look:

http://lbpe.wikispaces.com/SubmitVisual

Thank you, Janet!
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 10th, 2009, 1:09pm »

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First I note that there is no "Edit" button at the top of the page but there is an "Edit This Page" button. So I clicked on that and low and behold I got a page with an Editor at the top

It depends on the theme being used, some Wikis have a button as you said "Edit This Page", others just said "Edit" on a tab button.
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