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« Thread started on: Aug 22nd, 2011, 8:08pm »

I recently downloaded LBand installed it on my new Win7 notebook. I then purchased LB Pro licence - at least, thats what it says on my invoice:
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Liberty BASIC v4.04 Pro - Save $20 - Email delivery AUD 100.85 1 of registration codes AUD 100.85

I have a couple of questions:

1. When I start it up I cannot see anything that says it's LB Pro. How do I check that that is what I got? When I look in LB - help - about it says 'Licence type - REGISTERED'

2. Why is it that when I use Windows to look in the LB folder, I cannot find the demo programs? I can see them if I open the folder in LB.
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 22nd, 2011, 11:51pm »

You should have received an email with a download link for LB Pro and also a registration code.

I don't see any orders for a Will Joiner. Is that the name you used to order?

As for your second question, Windows Vista and Windows 7 don't allow applications to store user modifiable files in the application folder under Program Files, so Liberty BASIC now keeps them in a user folder.

I hope that helps.

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on Aug 22nd, 2011, 8:08pm, willjoiner wrote:
I recently downloaded LBand installed it on my new Win7 notebook. I then purchased LB Pro licence - at least, thats what it says on my invoice:

I have a couple of questions:

1. When I start it up I cannot see anything that says it's LB Pro. How do I check that that is what I got? When I look in LB - help - about it says 'Licence type - REGISTERED'

2. Why is it that when I use Windows to look in the LB folder, I cannot find the demo programs? I can see them if I open the folder in LB.
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:52am »

Mr Gundel

(edit) Thankyou for your reply. I have just re-read the email I received. It said if I had already installed the demo then there was no need to download, just start the program, go to setup and install registration code.

I have PM'ed you with some details from my invoice. They should be sufficient for you to locate my purchase.

(edit - insert): as to your reply to my second question, what's a 'user folder' and how do I find it? My computer has the UAC turned off - could that make a difference?
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 23rd, 2011, 12:42pm »

This is how Windows structures itself since Vista / Win7.

It isn't really anything to do with UAC. I would turn UAC back on, life is easier inside Windows like that.

Right, Windows now keeps program files and associated data files completely separate. This is to help control and manage and indeed protect the system from attack.

The program files are installed in program files directory as they always have been. Actually Liberty will be installed to program files (x86) directory. Windows keeps 32 bit programs separate from 64 bit programs.

These program files directories are now protected and software is not allowed to write files within these directories, this is to protect the system.

As an alternative Windows now asks that all data files are written to USER files in user files areas.

The basic idea is one program in a protected area serving multiple users. Each user has their own program data area. Each of these user areas is unique and protected.This keeps everyone's data private and protected.

This is where Liberty has to store my data.

C:\Users\Rod&Janette\AppData\Roaming\Liberty BASIC v4.04

My user id is Rod&Janette and Liberty stores all it's support files lessons, bmps and example programs in this directory.

Once you find your own directory on your own PC it is a good idea to drag a copy onto the desktop. That way you can quickly access the examples and lessons.
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on Aug 23rd, 2011, 09:52am, willjoiner wrote:
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I have PM'ed you with some details from my invoice. They should be sufficient for you to locate my purchase.

(edit - insert): as to your reply to my second question, what's a 'user folder' and how do I find it? My computer has the UAC turned off - could that make a difference?
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 23rd, 2011, 7:36pm »

Alyce: Thankyou for the WIKI url. I did the instructions to the letter. LB comes back with:

file not found:c:\Users\John\Appdata\Roaming\Liberty BASIC v4.04\filename.ext

So I opened the search menu and typed the example address Rod gave (using my own name, of course!) and found the folder. Went up one level (Roaming), found the folder here and created a shortcut which I pulled onto my desktop. All is well

Rod: Thankyou for the explanation of how this works, and for the address example. At least, what appeared to be some sort of insanity turns out to be rational, after all. As to the UAC, - no, thanks, I will leave it turned firmly OFF - it's how the computer guy set it up for me and (for me anyway) makes life easier. I hate being told that I'm not allowed to do stuff on my own computer. If I make a stupid mistake, the computer guy will restore it for me - or not - but I at least get to live with my own mistakes.

Personally, I think the way I got there in the end is simpler than the steps in the WIKI. Might be worth a look?
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:17pm »

I think you're looking at admin privileges the wrong way. It's not that you're not allowed to do something, it's asking your permission to do it. It's you allowing the computer, not the other way around. This is an important step in preventing malware from taking hold. The separation between user and admin is a very important one. Linux has always had strict control over how root is used. Windows finally implemented the same thing in Vista.

By making the user confirm any action which could endanger the security of the computer, any actions which are not authorized by the user can easily be stopped.

It's how many viruses were able to spread during the Windows XP era; XP actually had security measures on par with those of Linux, it's just that XP didn't enforce user security permissions, so all of those security measures were rendered moot.
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 24th, 2011, 07:09am »

Hi Cris
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I think you're looking at admin privileges the wrong way.

Well, perhaps. But it seems to me to make things harder, and in fact, while the system has told me that I cannot do something, it hasn't ever asked me if I 'really want to do this?' With the UAC turned off, at least, I avoid that agravation.

When the computer is my own property, paid for in good cash - not credit - I will have my way - even if I make disastrous mistakes. Educating me and fixing those mistakes is what the computer fixit guy is paid for. As someone on these forums has said in effect, 'If I don't make mistakes, how will I learn?'.

Now, back to my original post in this thread: I still have no idea how to tell if I actually have LB PRO? Can anyone tell me, please?
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 24th, 2011, 07:44am »

on Aug 24th, 2011, 07:09am, willjoiner wrote:
Now, back to my original post in this thread: I still have no idea how to tell if I actually have LB PRO? Can anyone tell me, please?
Will


Carl Gundel responded to your original question:
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You should have received an email with a download link for LB Pro and also a registration code.


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Mr Gundel

(edit) Thankyou for your reply. I have just re-read the email I received. It said if I had already installed the demo then there was no need to download, just start the program, go to setup and install registration code.


There is no demo for Pro. The demo is the regular Liberty BASIC version, not the Pro version. The only way to get Pro is to use the download link provided in the email, as Carl explained. If you did not use the download link in your email, you do not have Pro.

If you have Pro, you should have items in your menus for the profiler, code formatter, version management, etc.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 24th, 2011, 11:41am »

Thankyou for that, Alyce - you're a life saver once again...

In one of the emails I received it said: Quote:
<br>Note: There's no need to download if you already installed the trial software.
This code upgrades it to the full version.

I misunderstood this, not being aware that there was no demo for PRO.
The other email contained the actual info needed.

I have now downloaded PRO and am about to install it before I go to bed.
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 24th, 2011, 3:23pm »

on Aug 24th, 2011, 07:09am, willjoiner wrote:
When the computer is my own property, paid for in good cash - not credit - I will have my way - even if I make disastrous mistakes. Educating me and fixing those mistakes is what the computer fixit guy is paid for. As someone on these forums has said in effect, 'If I don't make mistakes, how will I learn?'.


True enough. I remember many times spending an entire day restoring a computer because I accidentally messed something up. I wouldn't trade that experience for anything, as it has taught me well.

I'm glad you were able to get Pro running. For me, it's the best value available from LB grin
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